Professors should get proficiency bonus on Oddity traces

JixamaJixama Posts: 14 ✭✭
in Feature Requests #1 latest comment 05 March, 2020, 02:55 pm.

In traces Professors also can't use Deterioration Hex to augment their low Power, so they are at a disadvantage compared to Aurors (with Dancing with Dummies) and Magizoologists (with Become the Beast); it would make some sense to apply their Curiosities damage bonus to Oddities as well.

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  • GinnungagapGinnungagap Posts: 447 ✭✭✭✭
    #211 October, 2019, 09:55 pm.

    @Jixama I do believe that you get the power boosts as though you have the greater enhancements just as magizoo gets become the beast. As there is no focus to use, those special abilities are always working. That means you can have a base damage of 113 against all oddities. At least so I have been told by other professors.

  • MrSciGuyMrSciGuy Posts: 975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #311 October, 2019, 10:18 pm.

    Base damage from 113? How do you figure? Do you mean that’s what a professor’s power can max out at?

  • GinnungagapGinnungagap Posts: 447 ✭✭✭✭
    #411 October, 2019, 11:33 pm.

    @MrSciGuy correct. Only something like 79 is not contingent, but the contingent power is always given during oddity encounters to my knowledge. For instance +12 power with 2 greater enhancements. Since you have no focus, you always have +12 power in oddity encounters if you unlock that ability.

    My wife who is a magizoo always has +40 power as though she has become the beast active when she fights oddities for instance. If she didn't they would be much more difficult.

  • MtPolluxMtPollux Posts: 702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #512 October, 2019, 09:38 am.

    @Ginnungagap the contingent power does not apply during oddity battles. Despite having learned Strength In Numbers (+5 power with one enhancement), I still only do 79 damage per hit.


    I have seen others comment (but I haven't checked it out myself yet) that if you have an elixir and/or tonic active then those count as enhancements. That would mean that professors could get an extra 17 power against oddities for a total of 96. For 30 minutes. If they had spent 30 RSB to unlock the two lessons, and if they use 2 of the longest brewing potions. It levels the field a little bit, but for the most part we professors have to resign ourselves to working a little harder for oddities.

  • MrSciGuyMrSciGuy Posts: 975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #612 October, 2019, 11:45 am.

    I have not yet unlocked the skill of added power with one or more enhancements, so I’m not sure. I went with added defense when opponent has one or more impairments instead. Looking to try that one after brilliant part two.

  • GinnungagapGinnungagap Posts: 447 ✭✭✭✭
    #712 October, 2019, 12:51 pm.

    @MtPollux thanks for letting me know. I wonder if it did and got broken. Maybe it was credited and they decided it was a bug. Since I have only heard from others I'm not sure. I will make a suggestion post that generic abilities (not specific enemies mentioned) get applied in oddities traces. As focus does not exist that would be a better reflection of abilities.

  • Jeje002Jeje002 Posts: 25 ✭✭
    edited February 14 #814 February, 2020, 06:24 am.

    Is there any development is this?


    Feels really unfair that my wife, a magizoologist, can do more damage on a werewolf than I, a professor. (Yes we both are almost maxed at our proficiency)

  • MrSciGuyMrSciGuy Posts: 975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #914 February, 2020, 11:38 am.

    Not sure about proficiency bonus, but I know for a fact when I had both TTD and Baruffio’s going (counting as 2 enhancements) I got my +5 for one enhancement and +12 for 2 enhancements against curiosities on the map like fluffy and the werewolf.

  • LucoireLucoire Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #1014 February, 2020, 11:41 am.

    @MrSciGuy Proficiency Power and Deficiency defence don't work against Oddities.

    The reason is that:

    • Curiosities and Oddities are treated differently
    • Beasts and Oddities are treated differently
    • Dark Forces and Oddities are treated differently
  • MrSciGuyMrSciGuy Posts: 975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #1114 February, 2020, 11:45 am.

    Yeah I figured as much @Lucoire. Even though it’s a werewolf or pixie, for example, it’s considered an “oddity” on the map, so we won’t get proficiency against them. But I was pleased to see that we get the enhancements bonuses.

  • RazorgirlRazorgirl Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    #1219 February, 2020, 01:53 am.

    That's correct @Lucoire. But the thread isn't asking why we don't get the buff, it's saying that we *should* get the buff.

    I like the idea of everyone's Proficiency and Deficiency carrying over into Oddities.

    • Proffs getting a buff against Pixies and Werewolves

    • Magic getting buffs against Spiders and Irklings


    The problem is that we only see Dark Wizards and Death Eaters during events. If they spawned more frequently in the wild, then Aurors would get their fair share of buffs too.

    So while I agree with @Jixama's suggestion, I can see why we don't currently get it. Annoying though it is.

    🤨

  • LucoireLucoire Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #1319 February, 2020, 07:49 am.

    I know, @Razorgirl. My explanation was trying to explain:

    • If we implement Proficiency Power and Deficiency Bonuses for Oddities, we should do that for ALL classes or for none


    Also, Professors aren't at a disadvantage, their skillset merely needs a different approach / strategy to be equally as powerful as aurors / Magizoologists.

  • RazorgirlRazorgirl Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    #1423 February, 2020, 02:20 pm.

    Totally agree on the "it should be the case for everyone" point. Which I already mentioned. 🙃


    That said, I think most of the Oddities need to have their stats re-worked. I feel like Dragons are way too easy to defeat and seem to do a lot less damage than they should. A Horned Serpent (IMHO) should not be tougher than a dragon.

    I also don't get why an Antipodean Opaleye Dragon is less of a thread to the Statute of Secrecy than a Chinese Fireball Dragon.


    It's not like an Australian Muggle would see an Opaleye and go, "oh my. That's a strange looking Goanna", but freak out more if they saw a Horned Serpent or a Three Headed Dog.

    😜

  • Magpie31Magpie31 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23 #1523 February, 2020, 04:44 pm.

    Australian muggles probably wouldn't bat an eyelid at any of the creatures, given my experience of Australian beasties @Razorgirl


    Have to admit, I find dragons quite challenging compared to horned serpents. The dragons move around so quickly that I find it tough to get a lock on them.

  • KeybounceKeybounce Posts: 462 ✭✭✭
    #1624 February, 2020, 05:05 am.

    I found the Vipertooth to be slow moving, easy to target, and the common green was almost as bad as the doxies.

  • WerewolfChaserWerewolfChaser Posts: 646 ✭✭✭✭
    #1724 February, 2020, 08:17 am.

    @Razorgirl When we recently had Fluffy hubby had been chauffering me around. On our return home I screamed that Fluffy was in our front yard. He looked at me like I was a crazy woman. So I said, you know, 3 headed dog. He looked everywhere for this mysterious 3 headed dog and was perplexed why our dogs weren't on guard, he completely forgot that I was playing. He can be forgiven for forgetting as I sit in the back on my recliner. One of our one headed dogs takes the front seat.

  • RazorgirlRazorgirl Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited February 26 #1826 February, 2020, 10:50 am.

    @Magpie31 and @WerewolfChaser ... 😂 🤣


    I hope you can appreciate that even our Magpies can be deadly. Especially the ones in our National Capital. 😱🤕

  • Magpie31Magpie31 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #1926 February, 2020, 12:59 pm.

    Yes, @Razorgirl The background of my username is that our school classes are named after Australian animals, so I teach the Magpies class. When I first started, I was really disappointed that I got the Magpies when the other teachers had Quokkas, Pademelons and Kangaroos. But I soon realised that Australian magpies are very different to British ones! Swooping season looks terrifying!

  • KeybounceKeybounce Posts: 462 ✭✭✭
    #2027 February, 2020, 07:03 am.

    Everything in Australia is horrifying. You all have the nastiest critters in the world over there.

  • RazorgirlRazorgirl Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    #2105 March, 2020, 02:55 pm.

    @Magpie31 ... I hope you've also discovered how beautiful a magpie warble is too. I think you got the best class name! 😍


    @Keybounce ... Not true! Our Scorpions are the only scorpions in the world that aren't deadly. But we win "most deadly" on nearly everything else. 🤣


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