Narcissa is making me bleed potions!ðŸ˜
Eleanor001
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It's very difficult to get the star positioned on her and even after that I wasted an entire strong estimulo potion on her (which was boosted by SOS and had 5 tries) after using a boosted potent one. She just keeps dodging!!
I've wasted so many potions (including wit-sharpening and healing) on her alone it's insane
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There should be something to decrease her dodges rather than increase ours.
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@Eleanor001 Which profession are you? I’m a (max) professor, she very rarely dodges for me.
@Dewin99 I'm a maxed out Auror. I don't know what it is with her but she dodges like crazy and attacks like twice or thrice in a row!
Maybe this is the revenge of the professors after being underdogs on adversaries for so long
That said, of my two fights with her so far this time around (as Magizoologist, 20 accuracy) the first time she dodged all over the shop probably more than half the time and lasted ages, the second time she didn't dodge at all and was finished off with one potent potion, so some classic rng in there
My advice is to star her on the frame you are in and then skip her, the 2 guardians (can) drop all the other image frags and they require 0 potions, only time and SE and as an auror not much of either. Then if/when you prestige star her again and rinse repeat. Even if you need the dadas you'll get some from placing images, you might get lucky and 1st and/or 2nd guardian might give you one and what you lose from this event's archfoe you will more than make up for in future adver events (peter and ironbelly, April's, May's etc).
I’m also a maxed auror and have the same problem. I have noticed that I dodge significantly less than 50 percent of attacks, regardless of the adversary I am facing. I have also noticed that adversaries are still dodging my attacks at a high rate. Narcissus just dodged 6 of my attacks in a row, no exaggeration.
I was under the impression that the accuracy training would prevent dodges by lethal adversaries. Are lethal adversaries the ones at the end of each chain or are the lethal adversaries the ones Niantic hadn’t opened up for us yet?
i thought when I finished the accuracy training that I would no longer have adversaries dodge my attacks. That is obviously not the case. I’d really just appreciate a realistic expectation. If someone could provide a full explanation or link to a URL with the answers, I would truly appreciate it.
Thank you.
There is stupid and then there’s Narcissa’s dodge rate... sweet baby Jesus. She dodges ~70% of the time. Surely this is a bug? Please fix.. this is no fun for anyone.
@Bigstaff Narcissa is a feared archfoe, the Lethals are the 2nd tab with Lucius Malfoy, Bellatrix Lestrange, Barty Crouch jr, Umbridge and voldy. Feared nodes wont count for them (so no crits or us dodging them if the text is correct) only 100% accuracy for us (less them dodging us and even then I am not sure what 'less' might actually end up meaning. the Lethal nodes (the last 5 that give the accuracy) do not count for feared adversaries that include Narcissa.
The 1st 10 nodes (10/15) are for feared (1st tab in challenge registry) the last 5 (15/15) are for Lethals.
As to her dodging and/or our dodging:
it is widely believed that most feared archfoes have around 20% accuracy themselves, so an auror is going to have 50% dodge (feared dodge nodes) - 20%= 30% at most, if feared archfoes have greater accuracy then we have less dodge (50-##=##).
Narcissa's dodging is believed to be around 40%, from that subtract an auror's (or other profession's) base accuracy. Aurors have a base 15%, so 40-15=25% dodge.
It is also likely that either and/or both might be bugged.
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For lethals it is only conjecture and theory/hypothesis, but the x5 Lethal nodes give us 100% accuracy vs Lethals.
That can mean 1/2 things.
Lethal Archfoes (Lestrange, Umbridge etc) have 100% dodge meaning w/o some or all of the Lethal nodes you can kis.s any chance(s) of you hitting them goodbye. BUT with all 5 Lethal nodes you have 100% accuracy - 100$ dodge= 0% dodge. In this scenario my guess is they are going to pack a serious amount of punch (power), maybe even the ability to critical us for extra damage dealt and ofc even more stamina than the feared archfoes.
Scenario 2: We have 100% accuracy BUT each Lethal archfoe from easiest to toughest (Lucius -> Voldemort have 120% to 168% dodge) this if someone has all 5 Lethal nodes translate to (for auror as example) 15 (base accuracy) +100% (Lethal nodes) - 120 to 168, translating to an overall 5% to 50% dodge ability for them. Again if someone does not have any/all lethal nodes one can kis.s any ability to land a hit goodbye and might as well not do them, just do guardians, you wont be able to hit them anyways, BUT it might mean they strike with less power and may have less stamina....
All of this is guesswork so they may end up being 100% different, easier or tougher idk. The only 'thing' we know for certain is the Lethal nodes give us 100% accuracy.
It is also believed that each Lethal archfoe will have 2 'simple' guardians and one feared archfoe, so for example:
Guardian 1 (ie viscous death eater)
Guardian 2 (ie fierce pixie)
Narcissa
Bellatrix Lestrange
or
G1 (ie: fierce spider)
G2 (ie: vicious serpent)
Basilisk
Umbridge
Voldemort might have all other 4 Lethals as his guardians with him at the end.
Whatever they (Lethals) end up being...I do not think they're gonna be any easier than the feared ones...
I agree, as a maxed out auror with no option to achieve any upgrades at all in the fight against Narcissa, It's just not fun to play anymore when you need multiple exstimulo AND health potions to fight her. Just because she constantly keeps dodging and strikes several times in a row herself, with a stupidly slow animation, for that matter.
@DRAKONITE thank you so much for the explanation of feared versus lethal. That definitely helps me adjust my expectations when fighting the current adversaries. I also enjoyed your thoughts on the lethals. It will be interesting to see how they unfold.
@Bigstaff indeed and youre most welcome! I fear lethals will either end up being hugely frustrating even with the 5 lethal nodes, or very easy b/c the nodes remove their only 'advantage' (dodge) (in the scenario of 100% accuracy - 100% dodge= 0% dodge)....but we'll see.
Narcissa - the professors' revenge.
It may be just the RNG, but it sure feels like different instances of Narcissa have different dodge rates. Most times I come across her she hardly dodges at all, suggesting a base dodge rate of 40% or less vs. my 32% accuracy, but sometimes she will dodge me a good 20% or more, suggesting that particular Narcissa got an additional boost to her evasiveness.
@Drakonite my guess is another option... The "easy" lethals (Barty) will have ~50% dodge rate, making them manageable for professors w/o any advanced lessons and give 100% hit rate to others who have enough lessons. By the time you get to Voldy, he will have ~140% evasiveness, making his dodge rate similar to Narcissa for anyone who has all the lessons learned, and impossible for anyone who hasn't learned anything.
I enjoy the challenge of the adversaries, but I find it annoying that the rewards for taking out a dragon or Narcissa, which all cost me at least a potent and wit potion to defeat, reward the same as a Draco or Fenrir , which I can beat with just spell energy. Shouldn't more challenging opponents give greater rewards?
if easy lethals have 50% dodge then with 100% accuracy on all professions from lethal nodes they wont be easy for professors only, it'll be very easy for all...lol But yeah we'll see.
That is exactly my point. Professors would get an advantage against one or two lethals that have the hightest (>100%) evasiveness, but still be the worst profession (as usual) against all the others. This fits with Niantic's apparent idea of 'balance'.
Spark and Drak, thank you both for the insight. I’m have maxed my auror thru the lethal training and have first lesson plan for zoologist and 11 green books from completing the first lesson plan with professor. I’m contemplating working on the adversarial training for professor or zoologist next. I almost have enough red books to complete the first round. I’m holding off in case they open more training to go with lethal adversaries. If they don’t, any thoughts on which I work on next, professor or zoologist?
magi is very....how much patience and resilience to potentially breaking your phone bc you need to hit something 200 times to die (w/o extim)? lol im jk but magiz is very low dmg w/o extims, usually ppl choose it if they have a lot of SE low stock of potions and high patience, w magiz's high stamina+ defence little will/can **** you but its a drain/slog. Can't imagine it'll be less so for the Lethals.
I have all 3 15/15 but I'd go for professor, simply for their accuracy, you can achieve 100% w 14/15 and 15/15 will get you over 100% accuracy which might be nice for Lethals idk. Just dont fight anything else as prof outside of forts lol....and even then as spark said they may not end up having much of an advantage during Lethals either.
Idk if Narcissa rly was professors' revenge on the fact that they do so much less dmg than aurors, so w/o potents they may not get dodged (nearly as much) but since they need so many more times to hit her to defeat her they end up getting dodged some times and use more potions and SE than aurors. At least it's what my professor friends are telling me.
But if you have 15/15 on auror, have finished w everything/ everything you want to do in sos (w dada nodes) and are looking to do somethiung
I'm a professor. Don't be a professor.
Professors' accuracy of 32% helps somewhat against Narcissa, who dodges a lot (vs. 15% accuracy for Aurors and 20% for Magis). It is possible that Professor's accuracy may help with one or more lethals when they are released, or it's possible that accuracy will be made moot by the lethal research nodes. Professors are worse against feared adversaries than Magizoologists by every other possible measure. Professors also cost more RSBs to max out than the other professions, which is the only resource you can't grind.
The main advantage Professors have (right now) is the ability to solo the lowest 5-6 fortress chambers using zero energy, but you weren't asking about that.
Some of this is clearly RNG, BUT I used to be able to regularly beat Narcissa using at most two potions. Lately it has taken 4 to 6. (Maxed Auror, all Feared Adversary skills mastered.)
I don't expect to take on any higher Lethals until I can max those skills too. I've done 2 out of 5.)
Obvious conclusion: They nerfed her dodge up. Why? To make us bleed potions and spell energy, hoping we will have to pay for more.
Recommendation: Stay at the lower end of the Feared Adversaries until you complete the skills.
Spark,
I appreciate the insight. I love wizard challenges as a professor over zoologist and auror, but prefer auror for oddities and adversaries. I was hoping the professor feared and lethal training would make them my favorite there as well. I’ll take your advice and keep **** to save for the next batch of training for my auror.
Bio, I agree. I think they did increase narcissa’s dodge rate because I don’t believe she dodged me so heavily when adversaries were originally released. You have a point with them wanting more players to pay. I have yet to spend my cash.
As for Magizoologists dealing low damage, Professors have the lowest base damage and lowest critical damage of all 3 professions and less health and less defense than a Magizoologist. Whatever long slog you think a Magizoologist faces, add 10% to that and a bunch of healing potions and you have a Professor.
But, as a Professor I usually take out Narcissa with 1 potent and 1 wit potion and 7-8 energy; occasionally I also need 1 strong if she dodges more than once, which is rare. She takes me less energy than the witch before her unless I use Exstimulo potions on that too. For all the complaints I see about her dodging Aurors and Magizoologists, I would say that she qualifies as Professors' revenge.
Having completed the first lesson plan for all three professions minus one lesson for the professor, I have noticed the professor has the added defense of a zoologist that really helps in wizard challenges. I’m disappointed to hear that hasn’t carried over to the adversaries. I will just build up my red and green and dada books for the next set of lessons for my auror. I appreciate all the insight.
Guess what I do not care . Have beaten Narcissa twice/ thrice want to no longer. I just don't care.
May I suggest a scangever hunt of sorts? Traces of all kinds and in Fortess chambers too but not too high or low. Like an Easter egg hunt.. I think it would be much fun!
With all the insight about dodgy lethal adversary. As magizoo its looks very bleak as the lowest of profession's accuracy. LOL